A speculative proposal to split Hoenn Pokédex into two generations

Same as here.

A speculative proposal to split Unova Pokédex into two generations

I felt Unova's Pokémon were not only derivatives of previous generations but also of each other, so I thought why don't we split them up? Each group will be around 78 Pokémon, as there are 156 species in Unova.

Move ideas

Going with the Rainbow Rocket

PWT had Champions and Elite Four
RR will have all villain teams.
This leaves Rivals, Professors, Elite Fours, and previous protags.

Rivals have been possible to battle in Stadium games, so most likely they will be the next major focus.

Professors generally can't fight, though recent ones have been significant bosses. Protags are similar.

Shitty form change ideas

-A species that changes form depending on whether Grassy Terrain is activated or not.
-A species that evolves into a different form depending on the season it evolves.
-Has a form change at %75, %50,%25 HP
-Form change creates a secondary attacker(something like a living shadow that works as Parental Bond).
-Changes form depending on Nature.
-Changes form depending on father's Egg Group upon hatching.
-Changes form depending on IV total.

Notes on potential groupings, based off unused Legendary type combinations

Single types:

1. Fighting
2. Bug
3. Ghost
4. Dragon

Flying subtyping:

1. Normal/Flying
2. Bug/Flying
3. Water/Flying

Poison subtyping:

1. Grass/Poison
2. Bug/Poison
3. Water/Poison

Water subtyping:

1. Rock/Water
2. Water/Ice
3. Water/Psychic

Ground subtyping:

1. Rock/Ground
2. Water/Ground
3. Ground/Ghost

Dark subtyping:

1. Poison/Dark
2. Ground/Dark
3. Dark/Normal
4. Dark/Steel

Bug typing:

1. Bug/Grass
2. Bug/Rock
3. Bug/Water
4. Bug/Electric

Steel subtyping:

1. Steel/Ground
2. Steel/Ghost
3. Steel/Electric

Flying subtyping 2:

1. Rock/Flying
2. Poison/Flying
3. Ghost/Flying

Dark subtyping 2:

1. Grass/Dark
2. Dark/Fighting
3. Fire/Dark

Fairy subtyping:

1. Normal/Fairy
2. Bug/Fairy
3. Fairy/Flying

Grass subtyping:

1. Water/Grass
2. Rock/Grass
3. Grass/Dragon
4. Grass/Ice

Ground subtyping:

1. Ground/Ice
2. Ground/Psychic
3. Ground/Poison

Ghost subtyping:

1. Ghost/Poison
2. Ghost/Dark
3. Water/Ghost

Rock subtyping:

1. Rock/Psychic
2. Rock/Dragon
3. Rock/Ice

Fire subtyping:

1. Poison/Fire
2. Fire/Normal
3. Bug/Fire

Normal subtyping:

1. Normal/Grass
2. Electric/Normal
3. Normal/Dragon

Dragon subtyping:

1. Dragon/Fighting
2. Dragon/Poison
3. Dragon/Fairy

Ice subtyping:

1. Ice/Psychic
2. Ice/Steel
3. Dark/Ice

Ice subtyping 2:

1. Ice/Fairy
2. Ice/Electric
3. Ice/Ghost

Electric subtyping:

1. Electric/Water
2. Rock/Electric
3. Electric/Psychic

Others.

1. Rock/Dark
2. Fighting/Ice
3. etc.

USUM Moveset Change Speculation List

Shitty Pokémon design ideas:

Some ideas for future generations:

Evolutionary stones:

1. An Ice/Water Fish that evolves with Ice Stone. This mimics the Water-types that evolved to Water/Ice species in Gen I, particularly Shellder.
2. A Steel-type that evolves into a Steel/Electric with Thunder Stone, Steel/Fire with Fire Stone, Steel/Water with Water Stone.
3. A Grass-type that evolves into Grass/Dark through Moon Stone, and Grass/Psychic through Sun Stone.
4. A species that has two gender exclusive evolutions, one Female and one Male, with one evolving through level up and other evolving with Dawn Stone. The common gender will evolve with the Stone, the rare gender will evolve through level.
5. A Psychic-type that evolves into Psychic/Dark through Dusk Stone, and Psychic/Fairy through Shiny Stone.
6. A Flying-type Eevee-esque species that evolves into variety of types through stones.
7. A Poison-type that evolves into a Poison/Water through Water Stone, and Poison/Grass through Leaf Stone.

Evolutionary moves:

1. A Pokémon that evolves with Cut into a Slashing species.
2. A Pokémon that evolves into a Fairy type with Covet.
3. A Pokémon that evolves into a Psychic-type with Confusion.
4. A Psychic Pokémon that evolves into different forms depending on the Screen move it has.

Evolutionary items:

1. A Water-type fish that evolves into a Water/Fairy through Sachet, and a Water/Steel through Metal Coat.
2. A Steel-type that evolves into a Steel/Fire by Magmarizer, and a Steel/Electric by Electivire.
3. A species that evolves depending on whether it holds Razor Fang or Razor Claw.
4. A Dragon-type that evolves depending on whether it holds Dragon Scale or Dragon Fang.

Marketable species:

1. A Psychic dog that evolves into different types depending on the game's version.
2. A Normal-type dog that has a different sub-type depending on the game's version. This dog would have a different primary type depending on its version it evolves.
3. A species that evolves into a different form depending on the region it was traded to.
4. A Dragon dog that evolves into different forms depending on the time of day with happiness.
5. A species that evolves depending on the stat boosting move it has.
6. A species that evolves with a special move tutor introduced in the secondary games of the generation.

Other gimmicks:

1.  A Species that evolves into different forms or species depending on its Ability. To have other abilities, it must use Ability Capsule, or the generation that introduces this idea rechecks Abilities for each evolution.
2. A species that evolves into a different type depending on its berry. The types are decided on Natural Gift's type table.
3. A species that evolves with a species of the same Egg Group as it. It would evolve into different forms depending on the Egg Group(and if it is the same Egg Group duo, it would be randomized.)
4. A species that evolves depending on IVs or EVs.
5. A species that evolves after obtaining a specific ribbon like Footstep or Hall of Fame ribbon.
6. A species that evolves after being hit by a specific type.
7. A species that evolves after an ability or move activates.
8. A species that evolves depending on how much of a stat it has.
9. A species that evolves with a species that has a specific ability or move.
10. A species that changes forms holding Deep Sea Scale or Deep Sea Tooth.
11. A species that changes depending on which Plate or Gem it holds.
12. A species that evolves depending on its location in the party.
13. A species that evolves with a species that has a specific stat distribution, like a stat above other, a stat a specific level, or a general orientation towards something.
14. A species that evolves depending on its nature.
15. A species that evolves with a Key item.
16. A species that evolves after encountering and or defeating a specific Pokémon.

Form changes:

1. A species that changes form after being traded over once.
2. A species that changes form after leveling up with an item.
3. A species that changes form after being traded over with an item once.
4. A species that changes form after being traded over once for a specific Pokémon.
5. A species that changes form after leveling up with max happiness.
6. A species that has a different form at hatching depending on Father's other Egg Group.
7. A species that changes form after encountering and or defeating a specific Pokémon.

Ideas on future mascot legendaries

With the advent of evolving legends, we will likely have breeding legends in the future as well. So;

-Something like the Cosmog-line, but only has two stages.

-Something like a Legendary Simi trio, where all legendaries are related to each other and can breed with each other, while remaining separate lines in the dex.

-Something like East-West Gastrodon, where each Legendary is just a different form that is retained through birth.

-Something like Zangoose and Seviper where the two sides are opposites of each other but can breed with each other.

-Something like Skarmory and Mantine where two sides are differently distributed stat-wise, but share most of the stuff despite being biologically unrelated.

-A case where the legendary is related to a common Pokémon somehow, either requiring it to trigger its appearance/evolution, being its evolution or form, or being related to it in some other fashion.

-Reverse Nebby, here you own the thing since start, but cannot unlock its power until end-game.

Shitty move ideas

[B]Shell Rest:[/B]

Type: Water
PP: 10
Category: Status
Description: "The user withdraws into its shell to recover half of its HP."
Explanation: Recover, for Withdraw users.

[B]
Hard Massage:
[/B]
Type: Normal
PP: 10
Category: Status
Description: "The user massages all its muscles to recover half of its HP."
Explanation: Recover, for Harden users.

[B]Distillation[/B]

Type: Poison
PP: 10
Category: Status
Description: "The user liquefies its cellular structure to purify itself, recovering half of its HP".
Explanation: Recover, for Acid Armor users.

[B]Iron Forge:[/B]

Type: Steel
PP: 10
Category: Status
Description: "The user forges its body's surface like iron, recovering half of its HP."
Explanation: Recover, for Iron Defense users.

Some notes on BSTs of starters, and others

Shared BSTs:

1. 528: Gen V
2. 530: Gen VII

Others:

1. 535: Swampert
2. 534: Charizard, Typhlosion, Infernape, Delphox
3. 530: Remaining
4. 525: Venusaur, Meganium, Torterra

 The last generation to have lower than 530 BSTs was Gen V. While 528 hasn't be reused extensively like 530 was, it is unlikely to see a return to that.

Looking at this, it seems we won't see anything around or below 530 after this generation. Reaching to 535 will likely take about 4 generations, and 540 will likely take 10 generations. So until 30 years we will remain in the 540 barrier.

Neat.

For higher than 540 BSTs:

Gen I: 555
Gen II: N/A, 540 with Kingdra and Blissey
Gen III: 670
Gen IV: 545
Gen V: 567, 550
Gen VI: 552, 551, Megas
Gen VII: 570, 620

Next generation might see another 555 BST species, and something like this can be seen:

1. Gen 8: 555
2. Gen 9: 575
3. Gen 10: 560
4. Gen 11: 580
5. Gen 12: 565
6. Gen 13: 585
7. Gen 14: 570
8. Gen 15: 590
9. Gen 16: 575
10. Gen 17: 595
11. Gen 18: 580
12. Gen 20: 600
13. Gen 21: 585
14. Gen 22: 605
15. Gen 23: 590
16. Gen 24: 610
17. Gen 25: 595
18. Gen 26: 615
19. Gen 27: 600
20. Gen 28: 620

Edit (03.06.2017): It seems that starters, like most of the third stage Pokémon, cannot go beyond 129. Currently the highest single stat is 126, Primarina's Special Attack. After that comes Emboar's Attack(123), Greninja's Speed (122), Chesnaught's Defense (122). Lowest possible stat belongs to Torterra's Speed, 56. The second lowest stat is 60, which is the Speed of Primarina, Incineroar, Swampert and Empoleon.

Some notes on future second stage Pokémon

Some notes on future single stage Pokémon.

First and foremost, due to increasing emphasis on single stage Pokémon, these species have seen a massive power creep. Traditionally, single stage Pokémon existed primarily as fodder for future evolutions, but since Mega Evolutions that idea has been put into bus. Recent single stagers have higher BSTs and powerful forms. In addition, many of the weaker ones have now retconned BSTs that make them more powerful. This makes them indistinguishable from second stage Pokémon(Wishiwashi is the most egregious example of this. Its school form is essentially a Level-Up evolution.)

Secondly, is how the power creep progresses. The power creep is around 20-30 BST for every even generation. This means that within three generations, single stage Pokémon will have an alternate form that will reach to Uber level, while common high end ones will reach to the level of starters and Haxorus. That's terrifying.

This gives us some weird ideas:

-Pikaclones: Looking at BSTs of Pikaclones:

-Gen III: 405, Gen IV: 405
-Gen V: 428, Gen VI: 431
-Gen VII: 435
-Gen VIII: 436

If we continue with this;

Gen VIII: 435
Gen IX: 458, Gen X: 461
Gen XI: 465, Gen XII: 465
Gen XIII: 488, Gen XIV: 491
Gen XV: 495, Gen XVI: 495

So, within six generations(18 years) we will have a Pikaclone that is just as powerful as Raichu. Neat.

Edit: Due to Morpeko changing things, the current situation looks more like this:

Gen 9: 440, Gen 10: 441
Gen 11: 445, Gen 12: 446
Gen 13: 450, Gen 14: 441
Gen 15: 455, Gen 16: 456

-Joke Pokémon: Looking at the current stats, the most powerful of them is Chatot with 411(technically Stunfisk with 471 but it has high stats due to its unique typing). However, both Pyukumuku and Corsola now reside at 410. While much improvement cannot be expected, we can see that this section is rather, dying. So we will not care for it, until it is revitalized.

-Low end species: With Qwilfish buffed to 440, this group's new borderline seems to be 440-460, as opposed to 430-460. It is likely that this group will take over the conventional weak 455 BST two stagers in the coming generations.

-Medium end species: With Lunatone and Solrock buffed to 460, it seems that borders of this group now start at 460 rather than 440. In the coming generations, this group should take over conventional second stagers.

-High end species: With Cryogonal buffed to 515, this group no longer ends at 490. While the gap still needs to be filled in, within next generations, this group will take over high end dual stage Pokémon.

-Alternate forms:
The maximum limits for generations are:

Gen IV: 520, Rotom forms.
Gen VI: 615, Mega Aerodactyl
Gen VII: 620, Wishiwashi School Form

Looking at this, within three generations it might be reasonable to expect an Uber-like form.

-Fishes: Looking at them:

Gen II: 430, Qwilfish
Gen V: 460, Basculin
Gen VII: 475, Bruxish

Looking at this, we can guess that;

Gen IX: 490
Gen XI: 505
Gen XIII: 520
Gen XV: 535

Within eight generations(24 years) we can expect a fish around Lapras' level.

-What else:

• It is unlikely that there will be single stager around the level of a legendary in the foreseeable future. There can be a Silvally situation, however.
• While single stagers have started to drive out two stagers to higher levels, they have not started to drive out three stagers yet. That will take time.
• Due to their currently limited amount, it is unlikely that single stagers will see significant boosts in the upcoming generations, though stat retcons will continue.
• Single stagers can take more archetypes. They have currently took over traditional fish archetypes, it shouldn't be unreasonable to expect them to take over other early route Pokémon, such as rodents, birds etc.

Edit (18.12.2019): Changed Pikaclone segment.

Some ideas on future third stage Pokémon

-Additional starter Pokémon: Similar to Simis, these secondary starters can work as replacements for species that are not obtained as starters. This idea would be good, because currently the only major third stagers are sadly starters.

These species can be at the lower end of starters, around 525 BST. They can be obtained in wild, or given after a specific period.

-Additional trade Pokémon: Not an idea I personally like, but trade Pokémon have been the primary drivers of three stage Pokémon for a long while. As trade evolutions have been declining in the last generations, this can bring them back to life.

-Additional three stage Electric-types: Another major third stage presenter, these can be expanded to make Electric-type more viable.

More specifically, Electric-type can have a honorary starter archetype, as an expansion to what we currently have.

-Additional three stage Psychic-types: More successors to Abra can be given. Psychic-types are missing powerful common species recently, so this can be a good way to bring back life.

-Additional three stage Steel-types: More successors to Magnemite can be given. Steel-types need more representatives, so this will be helpful.

-Additional three stage Ghost-types: More successors to Gastly can be given.

-Additional three stage Fighting-types: More successors to Machop can be given.

-Additional three stage Water-types: More successors to Poliwag would be... bad, but better than endless fishes.

-Other ideas:

1. New archetypes: Rather than expanding upon existing archetypes, completely new archetypes would be better. These can be utilized on underutilized types, such as Flying, Bug etc.
2. New tiers in-between standard Pokémon and legendaries: Currently common Pokémon can go up to 540 BST, while legendaries can go down to 570. More varied archetypes in this 30 BST gap can be created, similar to Archeops or Togekiss.
3. Pseudo-ubers: Similar to pseudo-legends, these will be Pokémon who have stats around 601-680 range, working similar to Ubers. These Pokémon will appear as post-game challenges, and be banned in initial tournaments, becoming legal after the second year.
4. Pseudo-sub-legendaries: These Pokémon will cover the 570-599 range, mimicking sub-legendaries. These Pokémon will be semi-final bosses, appearing before the showdown with the pseudo, around 7th badge or so.
5. Pseudo-Megas: Similar to the conventional trade evolutions, these would be species who have highly powered middle stages that can work competitively and in-game, but will have upgraded third stages that can be more varied. These species would go around pseudo-legendary level at max. The idea behind them would be to abuse Eviolite without creating cross-generational evolutions.
6. Psuedo-Mythicals: Similar to above, but a bit different, these species would have certain event-exclusive items and methods that would allow them to evolve to their true form, but would remain usable in their current situation.
7. Terrain bosses: Using the lore of Haxorus and Aggron, these would be powerful third stage Pokémon that would work similar to Totem Pokémon and act as mid-bosses. Their middle stages would be around conventional pseudo-legendary/starter middle stage level, while themselves would be around 525-540 range. They would be found in wild through special means.

Let's discuss potential evolutions, pre-evolutions and mid-evolutions for single and two staged Pokémon lines according to their weight and height, p3

Potential plot settings for games and fanfics

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Some more shitty ideas

-Alpha and Omega Lati twins: Original Lati twins bear the Delta Symbol, which currently represents Mega Rayquaza. So to expand on that idea, two different Lati variations that are subordinate to Primals can work.

-Theta Pokémon: One of the symbols used for Ancient Trait in Ancient Origins TCG deck is Theta, which has no corresponding Pokémon.  So a species can be introduced for that.

-Fog, Sand and Snow legendaries: The remaining weather effects with no legendaries, they can something that represents them.

Some more ideas for fangames

Pokémon Prime: Based on the TCG card class,, these would be unique variants of existing Pokémon with slightly better stats and movepool. They can serve as mid-bosses or event Pokémon, but they cannot be the default variant.

Team Assisters: Serving as glorified items, these species would give similar boosts to Flower Gift Cherrim, but only by being in the party. This can lead to very interesting team building strategies.

Domestic/Wild variants: Similar to regional variants, these would be largely based on species who are generally wild like Teddiursa and who are generally urban, like Eevee. The "wild" variant can be in two different variants, wild, based off the wild equivalent of the base species, and feral, which is closer to original, but with different types and/or abilities. Domestic variants can be in multiple breeds.